Moderator: Jim G. Kollegger, CEO, Genesys Partners, Inc.
Panelists:
Ken Auletta, Author and Annals of Communications Columnist, The New Yorker
Michael Barrett, EVP and Chief Revenue Officer, Fox Interactive Media
Jim Kelly, Managing Editor, Time Inc.
Alan Patricof, Founder and Managing Director, Greycroft LLC

Jim: This is the seventh summit of the merged Software and Informaiton Industry Association, it's like surfing, the industry has to catch the wave, need to skate to where the puck is going to be. Last summer watched YouTube presidential debate, on Meet the Press Ariana Huffington is there as an equal because of Huffington Post. A tipping point is developing, there's a slow building up and then a dramatic increase. Newspapers are in free fall, magazines are getting thinner, new media doesn't kill old media but repositions things. [To Kelley] How do you position yourself in this era?

Kelly: Has 125 media properties, most are in Britain as a part of IPC, much different model over there, here it's the familiar brands, some of those titles make a considerable amount of money from print advertisers and subscribers. People magazine has 2 million people who are willing to subscribe for USD 109 per year. Another 1.5 million will buy it as the newsstand. Makes hundreds of millions a year. Each magazine has been tasked to find their own digital future, some have a bigger opportunity than others, Sports Illustrated doing well, acquired FanNation, Face of the Crowd (Greycroft company). People has StyleWatch online, we're an increasingly mobile society, using devices that are not friendly to a 2,000 word narrative. Advertisers are finding more effective ways to reach consumers, Johnson & Johnson's Baby Center is making parenting magazines ask what they can do to counter. The younger you are, the more likely you're likely to see everything on the Web as content, whether YouTube, an alert from WaPo, to define models around topics is harder as communities create their own power.

Barrett: Every challenge creates a business opportunity, allowing time-shifting, old distribution under assault, look at MySpace, 70,000 vidos posted every day, all this consumption and creation, none of this takes away the value of major TV shows. MySpace communities can create a place for media brands to build audience rather than erode it. If you stream video content you erode TV but if they're people who don't want to miss an episode you can keep them captured, will be a constructve model, not destructive. Haven't closed the gap in economics, but getting there.

Jim: Would you invest in a magazine property today?
Patricof: If just print, no, but now there are new channels from old media. Video to magazine Web sites, Tackle sports network for football, synergistic aspects of print publication that can help to power online content. Every has adapted to new media, we're in venture capital business, corporate investors come and go, now major media brands are the major investors, now right on the front line of making investments.

Jim: Why the investment in HuffPost, Ariana?
Patricof: Started as political blog, now entertainment, finance, unique visitors are climbing dramatically, have invested in blog site - paidContent.org, lot lower investment to get into that than to get into magazine industry. Huffington left a fund-raiser to be at blog conference.

Kelly: When willl HuffPost make money?
Patricof: Let me ask you about some of your publications. Took years to build many print titles.
Kelly: Sports Illustrated took at least a decade.

Jim: Are newspapers in free-fall?
Auletta: If you interview people who are in news you meet people who are terrified. Online newspapers are exciting, but how do you monetize is not the same as paper, haven't figured it out. FT is profitable, WSJ, but they are closed universe, limited shelf space for advertisers. Are they open to new media, are the open to breaking out of old patterns?

Jim: Tribune sold for about half a million, how do you make a small fortune in the news business? Start with a large fortune. Murdoch bought MySpace when daughter brought it to his attention.

Barrett: News Corp driven from the top, not a lot of analysis, not sophmoric but where other companies can spend months in analysis for boards, private companies can react quickly, deals done in 24-hour windows. They can afford to wait years to make investments pay off.

Jim: WSJ over-weekend advertiser, but makes sense.
Patricof: Flies in the face of terrified print.
Auletta:Synergy is an overused word, but Murdoch can move fast and create synergies.
Kelly: Murdoch making paper broader.
Patricof: What about books, Eisner putting out webisodes, book based on webisodes being released in their wake.

Jim: Behind every great media company is a mogul [comment: Brin and Paige as moguls? Close enough.].
Kelly: Luce sold Time mag twice over at first, was able to turn it into a real investment eventally.
Auletta: Old and new media, new media dominated by engineers, Google's had palpable success, engineering culture is driving these companies, represent different value systems, different cultures. If you said the engineer is no longer king at Google it wouldn't work, Terry Semel took over Yahoo, didn't work, don't understand half of the words that engineers were saying. John Scully didn't understand Apple.

Jim: What are your driver, what do you lose sleep over?
Kelly: Spend a lot of time with video, monetization is still a work in progress. Look at reviews on Amazon.com, look at all those reviews, why not sell them to NYTimes.com?
Auletta: It's a way of looking at things.
Barrett: Everything's going digital, mobile, whatever, we have a stake in all, what concerns us is the race to who has the most data on people. Google will be 10x as they learn more about end users. Advertisers are going to demand that information, won't settle for household demographics. Don't get disintermediated with your own consumers.

Jim: Yahoo in China?
Barrett: Have to play by the rules, privacy is a huge concern, however people get the fact that they're not paying for a social network, why send me ads for singles when you know that I am married? Have to stop somewhere, but would you rather have an ad that means something to yo or not?
Patricof: Relevance is part of it, localization is a bigger part. Down to zip codes, neighborhoods, addresses, television is moving in that direction.
Auletta: 4 billion cell phones, but do I want to be interrupted on the phone with an ad? Facebook related ads had to be pulled, users didn't want them.

QUICK TAKE: A really good panel, senior media players but people who really understand the issues. Long story short, old media is hosed in terms of the old platforms with old models but new platforms and old platforms with new models are going to do quite well. I think the largest issue that's lurking at the edges is the rise of video as a factor in devaluing the written word as monetizable content whilst at the same time we have a hard time monetizing video online. There are huge gaps in revenue development that aren't easy to address in the short term. But the good news is that major media companies are indeed begining to learn how to invest in new plays, hopefully with the patience that old "moguls" had. They are becoming the exit strategy for many plays, but there's only so many immature media plays that you can absorb before owners and shareholders get itchy. We're going to see an impatience gap soon enough: angel-level investors who are more content for the long haul hanging on, higher levels of equity providing mostly an acceleration path for spinoff to media holding companies. You can't innovate in media as a fully public company effectively - Google was wise to move cautiously into public shares. The economic models are not mature, but economies follow value. The economies may not look like old models, but they will come indeed.

Labels: CEOs, media, SIIA Information Industry Summit 2008

George Beckerman of Marlin & Associates conducted a conversation with Cindy Hill, focusing on how to approach the convergence of media and enterprise content markets and to manage the acceptance of content from premium services with ads in the services. Cindy points out there that there's a huge "what's in it for me" from users but also a willingness to consider ads from subscription services if it doesn't impede access to content. Print-based journal providers are getting pushback on budgets not only on the basis of price but also on the basis of budget for storage, so migration to more ad-based content aimed at institutions into electronic media is going to be crucial. George points out that at the Amsterdam SIIA conference Claudia Juech, VP of Central Information Services at Deutsche Bank, was definitely open to the concept, so there was some anecdotal evidence for ads in enterprise-oriented content having support.

But Cindy point out that you do need eyeballs for content to make this work. Cindy and George have been doing research as to what the real receptivity is for ads. George points out that Steve Goldstein, CEO of Alacra, has done some experimentation with premium ads. Outsell research highlighted by George indicates that people in professional roles do respond to ads, so there is also some broader evidence for this response factor. Cindy underscores the need for ethical standards as a key factor for moving ads into enterprise-oriented content. Her research with George indicates that they would consider convergence pricing, but that they expect faster access to more essential informaiton in the process. So instead of having ads as sidebars direct embedding with useful information would be key. [COMMENT: We've been suggesting this for years, monetize context does not necessarily equate to traditional advertising.] But not everyone is in favor of ads in enterprise content - interestingly coming from individuals who were of the opinion that they were already able to negotiate pricing effectively and from those who are concerned about objectivity. So although that there is promise for this concept more insights and experimentation is required. Metrics are highly important, Cindy indicated that if a journal is not used at least one hundred times it's cancelled - a relatively low threshold of usage. Ads could help to offset the cost in these kinds of instances. There may be a number of solutions to be worked out for this, especially given earlier models for sponsored content in the financial industry.

In Q&A it came out that Alacra has done research and received strong push-back in their markets, Dow Jones is working on an enterprise-based product for financial information and news, BLR has added ads to some of their business and legal content with no pushback from subscribers.

Selling context in enterprise products can be tricky - interrupting workflow is a huge issue, but that's subject to interpretation. People are going to Google and other search engines as a part of their workflow any way, to implicitly there is a strong degree of acceptance for ads in business information anyway. The key factor to focus on is the value of context - content in context could be an ad, it could be objective content with sponsorship, it could be a database that has some content distributed on a licensed basis and other content on an ad basis, it could be the customer themselves offering that context for content that could be useful for their purposes.

Labels: advertising, business information, business models, enterprise, media, SIIA Content Forum 2007

George Beckerman of Marlin & Associates conducted a conversation with Cindy Hill, focusing on how to approach the convergence of media and enterprise content markets and to manage the acceptance of content from premium services with ads in the services. Cindy points out there that there's a huge "what's in it for me" from users but also a willingness to consider ads from subscription services if it doesn't impede access to content. Print-based journal providers are getting pushback on budgets not only on the basis of price but also on the basis of budget for storage, so migration to more ad-based content aimed at institutions into electronic media is going to be crucial. George points out that at the Amsterdam SIIA conference Claudia Juech, VP of Central Information Services at Deutsche Bank, was definitely open to the concept, so there was some anecdotal evidence for ads in enterprise-oriented content having support.

But Cindy point out that you do need eyeballs for content to make this work. Cindy and George have been doing research as to what the real receptivity is for ads. George points out that Steve Goldstein, CEO of Alacra, has done some experimentation with premium ads. Outsell research highlighted by George indicates that people in professional roles do respond to ads, so there is also some broader evidence for this response factor. Cindy underscores the need for ethical standards as a key factor for moving ads into enterprise-oriented content. Her research with George indicates that they would consider convergence pricing, but that they expect faster access to more essential informaiton in the process. So instead of having ads as sidebars direct embedding with useful information would be key. [COMMENT: We've been suggesting this for years, monetize context does not necessarily equate to traditional advertising.] But not everyone is in favor of ads in enterprise content - interestingly coming from individuals who were of the opinion that they were already able to negotiate pricing effectively and from those who are concerned about objectivity. So although that there is promise for this concept more insights and experimentation is required. Metrics are highly important, Cindy indicated that if a journal is not used at least one hundred times it's cancelled - a relatively low threshold of usage. Ads could help to offset the cost in these kinds of instances. There may be a number of solutions to be worked out for this, especially given earlier models for sponsored content in the financial industry. Great insights, would have loved to have heard more.

Labels: advertising, business information, business models, enterprise, media, SIIA Content Forum 2007

Tony Byrne of CMSWatch.com gave a great presentation on the best practices on CMS systems, it's not typically the focus of our community so I took the liberty of breaking from my blogging it live. Tony covered the waterfront of hows and whys, from full-blown services like Stellant to hosted services to open source systems. This is a huge focus for this audience, so it was a presentation that got a strong welcome. Content management is fairly ubiquitous in some areas of B2B publishing but many publishers still struggle with it. Tony's publication is a great source of research and insights, strongly recommend it.

Labels: ABM, business information, content management, Digital Velocity, events, media

Michael Lavitt, Senior Content Producer, Aviation Week, introduces a panel of plays for user-generated content that integrates with mainstream content: Laurel Touby, Founder of Mediabistro, a site that covers mainstream and new media; Eric Newman, VP and GM for Pluck, providing tools and content for integrating user-generated media into mainstream portals; Scott Karp of Publishing 2.0 and Atlantic Media; and Laurel Toby, Editor of MediaPost, exploring how to integrate user generated content.

Building a Web community: Laurel - many in community were content producers but now they're also in PR and marketing. Brought the community online. Put stuff on site that they have to engage with. The aggregation of all of the news of the day. Asks who has bulletin boards, comments, etc., very few hands, one question, "What's a bulletin board?" Oops. But ever her editors weren't sure about discussions. Started with "party marketing," reached out to community members. Got volunteers. See what you can get for free. Now 200 events, some around the world.

Are we doing the same things with better technology: Laurie - Web 2.0 technologies changed things dramatically, a journalist is not the same beast as a result. Still need fundamental skills such as sourcing and verification, but the job is more about putting things in context and finding educated opinion. Everyone has to learn video, a lot of things she learned at iVillage - how to provoke discussion and debate - is part of the skill set for journalists these days.

What will journalists have to give up in terms of reporting: Laurie - at a classic trade show, did blogging, video, show daily and regular online daily news coverage and special email bursts. Did a dozen video interviews, realized that she didn't talk to a lot of people when she was there, didn't sleep a lot. Trade journalism is changing, wasn't sure that she'd make it here today from having to deal with stuff.

How can trade media experience relate to User-Generated Content. Eric - five years from now every site will have interactivity but not necessarily community. It's about taking metaphors that you're comfortable with and extending them. Editorial has to be part of the discussion, no longer an us-to-them model, results are amazing when it works. Pluck powers TheStreet.com comments, skyrocketed the site visits. "We the Media" book, at a conference posts on a blog got back to the blogger who asked questions that interacted with the event. Journalists help to facilitate the news.

How do you manage the content coming from users, how do we feel safe: Scott - getting people to use embedded features is different from "who wants to set up a blog." When comments get turned on all of a sudden people are all over your article. Two different challenges - floods of content of varying quality, or people are scared and don't contribute. Weblogs are just content management, to ask users to blog is to ask them to create content. Laurie - don't allow anonymous posting, people upload party photos. Scott - now we can have an infinite number of columns.

How do we write for online: Scott - in old days held on to stories, now we have the online medium that's great at breaking stories. Nothing drives traffic like real news. When people want to know things they will come. Eric - Web provides unlimited scale of content than can be delivered. Were some other good topics, but by this point the cream was skimmed off. Bottom line: there's a major disconnect between attendees and user-generated content. Most are just beginning to get good focus on integrating traditional print editorial operations and online operations. It's good background for many of these publishers, but most are at the foothills of user interactivity. A good motivator came up in the spirited Q&A: what's the financial upside for blogs? Laurel quipped that it's cheaper than editorial, and that's the point. An audience can generate usable content more quickly than an editorial team in many instances. Excellent panel.

Labels: ABM, cmswatch, content management, Digital Velocity, ediaBistro, editorial skills, events, media, MediaPost, pluck, user-generated content